Crowd control and fire safety training procedures

Andrea Leong made this Government Information (Public Access) request to NSW Police Force

The request was refused by NSW Police Force.

From: Andrea Leong

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Dear NSW Police Force,

Can you please forward training manuals and any other documents detailing the crowd control and fire safety training that NSW police officers recieve prior to attending public protests.

If this can be answered as informal request please do so. Otherwise, please proceed with this as a formal request under the Government Information (Public Access) Act 2009.

Best regards,

Andrea Leong

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NSW Police Force


Attachment Credit Card Authority batch no.pdf
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Attachment formal access application form 201509.pdf
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Good Afternoon Ms Leong

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 8(3) of the Government Information
(Public Access) Act (2009) I am writing to advise you that due to the
nature of your request an ‘informal’ application will not be accepted. It
is therefore necessary that a ‘formal application’ under the Government
Information (Public Access) Act 2009 be submitted. I have enclosed a copy
of this form and credit card authority  to assist you.

Please note that from the information supplied in your Informal
application, it would appear that your request relates to Non-Personal
information. If you decide to resubmit a Formal Access Application, you
should be aware that it may incur a processing fee which is charged at $30
per hour. If this does occur an estimate of charges will be forwarded
prior to any work being undertaken.

If you have any queries concerning your application, please contact this
office.

Kind Regards,

Erin Drummond
A/Team Leader
External Information Access Unit
NSW Police Force

From:        Andrea Leong <[FOI #2993 email]>
To:        GIPA requests at NSW Police Force <[NSW Police Force request email]>
Date:        29/01/2017 13:57
Subject:        Government Information (Public Access) request - Crowd
control and fire safety training procedures

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Dear NSW Police Force,

Can you please forward training manuals and any other documents detailing
the crowd control and fire safety training that NSW police officers
recieve prior to attending public protests.

If this can be answered as informal request please do so. Otherwise,
please proceed with this as a formal request under the Government
Information (Public Access) Act 2009.

Best regards,

Andrea Leong

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From: Andrea Leong

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Dear #GIPAAPP,

Thank you for the forms. I will submit a formal request.

Must the payment be submitted at the same time? I am happy to pay a reasonable processing fee, but I find the payment options galling. A $9-10 fee for a money order or bank cheque seems exorbitant for a $30 payment, and I'm not willing to send credit card details in the post or by email.

Is it possible to pay securely online, or in person at a police station (as I have done in the past for a police check)?

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: #GIPAAPP
NSW Police Force

Good Afternoon Ms Leong,

External Information Access Unit only accept payment via Bank Cheque,
Cheque or Credit Card  (NSW Police Force Information Access & Subpoena
Unit Credit Card Payment Form).

Warm Regards,

Kate
External Information Access Unit

From:        Andrea Leong <[FOI #2993 email]>
To:        #GIPAAPP <[email address]>
Date:        06/02/2017 11:14
Subject:        Re: Crowd control and fire safety training procedures
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Dear #GIPAAPP,

Thank you for the forms. I will submit a formal request.

Must the payment be submitted at the same time? I am happy to pay a
reasonable processing fee, but I find the payment options galling. A $9-10
fee for a money order or bank cheque seems exorbitant for a $30 payment,
and I'm not willing to send credit card details in the post or by email.

Is it possible to pay securely online, or in person at a police station
(as I have done in the past for a police check)?

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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Henare Degan left an annotation ()

Hi Andrea,

This looks like a really interesting request. I hope you're going to try and continue to get this request processed on Right To Know so we can all see the results.

It's worth mentioning that using an application form is not a legal requirement. Here's a request where I worked with the authority to process a formal GIPA request over email using Right To Know without an application form:

https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/m...

I hope this might help move this request along :)

Cheers,

Henare

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Andrea Leong left an annotation ()

Thanks Henare! I actually just got the money order and posted the request.

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From: Andrea Leong

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Dear #GIPAAPP,

Thank you for your response to my FOI request (application number IASU2017-699).

I would like to clarify this request.

Can you please forward a copy of each of the Learning Activities documents used by the NSW Police Force?

Thanks and regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: #GIPAAPP
NSW Police Force


Attachment credit card form.doc
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Attachment GIPA app.doc
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Please find attached a formal application and a credit card form ($30 fee)
for completion and return.

thank you,
Monika

New South Wales Police Force | External Information Access Unit |
Operational Information Agency |  Phone: 02 8835 6888   |   Fax: 02 8835
6811 | Email:[NSW Police Force request email]

From:        Andrea Leong <[FOI #2993 email]>
To:        #GIPAAPP <[email address]>
Date:        14/03/2017 22:37
Subject:        Re: Crowd control and fire safety training procedures
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

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Dear #GIPAAPP,

Thank you for your response to my FOI request (application number
IASU2017-699).

I would like to clarify this request.

Can you please forward a copy of each of the Learning Activities documents
used by the NSW Police Force?

Thanks and regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: Andrea Leong

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Dear Monika,

I understand that it is not a requirement to fill out a particular form to make a request under the Government Information (Public Access) Act. Is this correct?

I have already completed one of those forms and paid a $30 fee, and was hoping that my previous email can be appended to that paperwork to update my request (application number IASU2017-69).

Is this possible?

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: #GIPAAPP
NSW Police Force

I cannot find an application in our system with the name of Andrea Long.
 Please advise when you sent the application to this unit and what name it
was under.  If you received a decision on your previous application, then
this file is closed and you are required to submit a fresh application
with a $30 fee.

thank you,
Monika

New South Wales Police Force | External Information Access Unit |
Operational Information Agency |  Phone: 02 8835 6888   |   Fax: 02 8835
6811 | Email:[NSW Police Force request email]

From:        Andrea Leong <[FOI #2993 email]>
To:        #GIPAAPP <[email address]>
Date:        15/03/2017 10:22
Subject:        Re: Crowd control and fire safety training procedures
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Dear Monika,

I understand that it is not a requirement to fill out a particular form to
make a request under the Government Information (Public Access) Act. Is
this correct?

I have already completed one of those forms and paid a $30 fee, and was
hoping that my previous email can be appended to that paperwork to update
my request (application number IASU2017-69).

Is this possible?

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: Andrea Leong

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Dear Monika,

Did you search for "Andrea Long" or "Andrea Leong"?

My initial request was made by email on 29 January this year. Erin Drummond replied on 1 February to let me know that the request would need to be made formally, and Erin attached the credit card authority and access application form 201509 for me.

I posted the form along with a money order for $30. I received a letter to let me know that this was received on 9 February and that my application had been given the number IASU2017-699 (I realise in my previous email I mistyped this number).

I then received a letter asking me to clarify my request to make it more manageable. That letter advised me of the best wording to use.

I have not been informed of a decision having been made regarding this request.

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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From: #GIPAAPP
NSW Police Force

Your application is currently being processed.  The due date for a
decision is 27/3/2017.  I will pass your information on to the Review
Officer.

thank you,
Monika

New South Wales Police Force | External Information Access Unit |
Operational Information Agency |  Phone: 02 8835 6888   |   Fax: 02 8835
6811 | Email:[NSW Police Force request email]

From:        Andrea Leong <[FOI #2993 email]>
To:        #GIPAAPP <[email address]>
Date:        15/03/2017 12:06
Subject:        Re: Crowd control and fire safety training procedures
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Dear Monika,

Did you search for "Andrea Long" or "Andrea Leong"?

My initial request was made by email on 29 January this year. Erin
Drummond replied on 1 February to let me know that the request would need
to be made formally, and Erin attached the credit card authority and
access application form 201509 for me.

I posted the form along with a money order for $30. I received a letter to
let me know that this was received on 9 February and that my application
had been given the number IASU2017-699 (I realise in my previous email I
mistyped this number).

I then received a letter asking me to clarify my request to make it more
manageable. That letter advised me of the best wording to use.

I have not been informed of a decision having been made regarding this
request.

Best regards,
Andrea Leong

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Andrea Leong left an annotation ()

I just received a phone call and a follow-up email to ask me for an extension until April 20th (20 working days until today) as my request is "quite large". I agreed because it seems like things are in motion.

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Andrea Leong left an annotation ()

After asking me to re-word my request into a form that could be answered, and requesting an extension* "because it's quite a large request", my request was refused.

The reason given was that there is a public interest consideration against disclosure of the information. Sections T1(e-f) and T2(b-g) of the Section 14 Table were cited. My re-worded request is so broad as to include sensitive material.

*NSW Police requested an extension until 24th April, which I was happy to grant.

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Henare Degan left an annotation ()

Astonishing. NSW Police Force seem to have gone that extra mile just to make sure you can't access this information and they've done it in the least transparent way possible by refusing to email you their repeated excuses and eventual refusal.

This authority has a very long way to go, "to make government information more accessible to the public", and, "restricting access to information only when there is an overriding public interest against disclosure.", as they state are their aims on their own website:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/e...

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